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A Gusto Alternative For The HR Work That Is Not The Pay Run

Gusto files your federal, state and local payroll taxes. Frappe HR does not, and no amount of configuration will change that. This page is about the rest of the employee record, and about the businesses for which the rest turns out to be the harder problem.
What Gusto charges, and the line the price actually sits on
A published rate, a small base fee, and a second number that follows every hire
Gusto prints its rate, which not every vendor in this category does. Simple is forty nine dollars a month plus six per person, Plus is eighty plus twelve, and Premium is one hundred and eighty plus twenty two. Contractor Only is thirty five plus six and is currently promoted at zero for the first six months. Every plan runs month to month with unlimited pay runs, and more than five hundred thousand businesses are on it.
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The base fee is small and the per person fee is the bill

At twenty five people the Plus plan is eighty dollars plus three hundred, so the seats are close to four fifths of the invoice. That is not a criticism. Payroll genuinely is work per person and pricing it per person is the honest way to charge for it. The shape only becomes wrong when what you needed was not payroll.
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Support is a separate purchase on two of the three plans

Priority Support is thirty dollars a month plus three per person on Simple and on Plus. HR Resources, which is where the certified HR experts and the compliance alerts live, is fifty plus five. Only Premium includes either of them without an add on, and Premium is one hundred and eighty a month plus twenty two per person before anything else is bought.
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Single state on Simple, and the add ons stack from there

Multi state payroll starts at Plus. Time and attendance is another six per person, performance management three, next day pay fifteen plus three, and keeping your existing health broker six per eligible employee. Every one of those is priced reasonably on its own. The list is how a forty nine dollar plan quietly becomes a different plan.
Two systems that overlap less than the category name suggests
Gusto is a payroll bureau with HR beside it. Frappe HR is a record that does not file
On one side sits a payroll and benefits platform with a small base fee and a charge for every person on it, which calculates the pay, moves the money and files the returns with the tax agencies. On the other sits an open source HR system with no licence at all, where one monthly figure covers the configuration, the migration and the support, and does not move when you hire.

Cascadia

Frappe HR configured around your own leave rules, shift patterns, approval chains and appraisal cycles, hosted on Frappe Cloud, and looked after by the same people who set it up. Configuration, customization, development, hosting and support arrive on one monthly invoice.

Without Cascadia

A United States payroll engine that calculates the pay, moves the money and files the returns, with benefits administration and a growing set of HR tools beside it. What it asks of you first is a headcount, and then the same headcount again every time it changes.

Comparison

Cascadia vs Gusto
Every row below is about scope and shape rather than quality. Gusto is a good product and this page does not dispute that, and the largest single fact on this page is one Gusto wins outright. Every cross marks something the pricing model or the product boundary makes awkward rather than something done badly. All of the configuration work in it is covered by our managed Frappe HR service.

Adding somebody to the team does not change the monthly figure

No software licence fee at all, because the HR system underneath it is open source

Implementation, migration, training and ongoing support inside one monthly figure

Adding a second state or a second country does not move you up a plan

Leave rules and approval chains built to match how the business already works

The people who configured it are the same people you call afterwards

Source code you can read, fork and keep running if you stop paying us

The employee record in the same database as the projects and the invoices

Being told plainly to buy Gusto instead and skip us entirely

Custom fields, custom reports and custom workflows built rather than requested

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Gusto

Where Gusto fits

If you employ people in the United States and want somebody to calculate the pay, move the money and file the returns, buy Gusto and skip us. Frappe HR does not file US payroll taxes, we are not going to pretend it does, and for a great many American businesses that one sentence ends the comparison before it starts.
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Cascadia Web Services

Where the employee record is the actual problem

We are for the case sitting underneath that one. Headcount in more than one country, an ERPNext instance already running the rest of the business, leave and appraisal processes nobody can express in a settings screen, or an India payroll that Frappe HR ships complete. Plenty of businesses run Gusto for the filing and Frappe HR for everything else, and that is a sensible arrangement rather than a compromise.

Where Gusto is strong

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They file the taxes, which is the hardest part and the part we do not do
Federal, state and local payroll tax forms, W-2, 1099, 940, 941 and 8974 among them, filed on your behalf with e-file and e-sign built in. That is regulated, unglamorous and genuinely difficult work. It is also the reason most of this comparison goes their way for a US business, and saying so at the top seemed better than burying it.
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A published rate, and a genuinely small one
Forty nine dollars plus six a person is printed on the page with no sales call in front of it. At twenty five people on Plus that is three hundred and eighty dollars a month, and the arithmetic does not turn in our favour again until somewhere near eighty people. Upgrades take effect immediately and downgrades at the next billing period.
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Benefits administration without an administration fee
Medical, dental and vision through their licensed brokers with only the premium to pay and no Gusto administration charge on top. Keeping your existing broker costs six dollars per eligible employee. Workers comp, 401(k) plans, HSAs and FSAs all sit in the same place as the pay run.
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Month to month, unlimited pay runs, half a million businesses
No contract, no charge for off cycle payrolls, and integrations with QuickBooks, Xero, FreshBooks and a long list of others built up over more than a decade. More than five hundred thousand businesses run on it. Whatever else this page argues, that is a well run product with a real support organisation behind it.
All of that stands and none of it is grudging. For most American small businesses Gusto is simply the better purchase, and we would rather write that sentence plainly than argue around it. This page turns on one thing only, which is what happens when the employee record is the problem and the pay run is not.

What a thousand a month buys when nobody is counting heads

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One figure covering the configuration, the migration and the support afterwards
Implementation, configuration, customization, development, Frappe Cloud hosting and ongoing support sit inside one thousand a month. There is no headcount to declare, no tier to move between and no separate implementation quote arriving from somebody else. One figure, one company, and the same number at fifty people as at five.
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The software licence is zero and it stays zero as the team grows
Frappe HR is open source. Employee records, leave, attendance, shifts, payroll, recruitment and appraisals are all in the box and none of them carry a per person fee. Adding the twenty sixth person changes nothing about what the software costs, which is the one structural difference underneath everything else on this page.
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The people who configured your leave policy are the people who answer the phone
You configure Gusto yourself and contact support when it misbehaves, which is a reasonable arrangement for a payroll bureau and a poor one for a system with your own processes inside it. Here the person who wrote your accrual rule is the person who picks up when it produces a number nobody expected.
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One database, when the rest of the business is already inside it
Frappe HR sits inside the same instance as ERPNext, so an employee is one record rather than three, and a timesheet reaches a project and then an invoice without an integration sitting in between. If you do not run ERPNext this particular argument does not apply to you, and we would rather say so than stretch it.
Gusto will run the payroll properly, file the returns, administer the benefits and charge you again for every person you hire, and for a great many businesses that is exactly the right purchase. Our case is narrower and worth stating narrowly. When the employee record itself is what needs designing, that is configuration work rather than a per person fee, and the same reasoning runs underneath the rest of our managed Frappe services.

Onboarding process

What the first sixty days look like when the pay run is not the problem

The work is mostly ours. An HR system is quick to install and slow to get right, because the difficulty lives in the exceptions rather than in the feature list. Nothing here is billed by the head, so the pace is set by your policies rather than by an invoice.

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Nothing gets configured until we have read the policies as they actually operate

We sit with whoever approves leave, builds the rota and handles a resignation, and write down what they do step by step. That includes the exception which applies to one department and the accrual rule that changed two years ago and was never written down anywhere.

2

Employee data gets migrated and reconciled before anybody is asked to trust it

Employee records, reporting lines, leave balances, salary structures and historical attendance all move across, then get checked against your existing system until the two agree. Nobody is asked to book time off in Frappe HR while the balances still disagree.

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Only the modules your business actually uses get switched on

Frappe HR carries recruitment, onboarding, leave, attendance, shift management, expense claims, payroll and appraisals. Most businesses need some of that and not all of it, and leaving the rest switched off makes the system quicker to learn. Nothing about that decision moves the price.

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You run a full cycle in it, including a real leave period and a real appraisal

The first month of live use runs with us alongside it, and a genuine leave request, a genuine shift and a genuine appraisal all go through before anybody signs anything off. Training happens on your own data rather than on a demo company.

Testimonials

Don't Take Our Word For It

Two ways an HR decision goes wrong with nobody behaving badly
Two situations with one thing in common. In both the payroll ran on time every fortnight and the filings were never wrong. What was missing each time was somewhere for the rest of the employee record to live. If you are reading these and still choosing a first HR system at all, our managed Zoho People service is where that decision usually starts.
A stack of paperwork with no order anybody could follow

How this plays out

Payroll was clean and nobody could say who reported to whom

The pay run was never late and the filings were never wrong. What nobody could answer in October was how many people had been on parental leave in the third quarter, because leave lived in a spreadsheet, the org chart lived in a slide deck and the appraisal notes lived in an email thread. None of that is a payroll problem and none of it appears on a payroll invoice.
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When this comes up

The team crossed a border and the tooling did not follow it

Fifteen people in the United States, then four in India and two on contract elsewhere. The US payroll carried on working exactly as before, which was the whole point of buying it. Everything around it split into separate systems with separate leave rules, and the question of how much holiday anybody had left stopped having a single answer.
1,000

Dollars a month, with the configuration, the migration and the support already inside it

Everything from the first policy read to the monthly report sits inside that figure. Priority at two thousand adds two active requests at a time, faster turnaround, and a quarterly review of how the configuration is holding up against the way you work.
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Dollars of software licence, whether five people use it or fifty

Frappe HR is open source, so the software itself costs nothing and adding somebody to it costs nothing either. No onboarding charge, no minimum term, and a thousand is a monthly figure rather than an annual commitment with a renewal date attached.
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Weeks, in most cases, before a full cycle runs inside Frappe HR

Four to eight weeks in most cases, and longer where several years of attendance history or a complicated salary structure are in scope. Configuration starts the week we begin rather than after a discovery phase you pay for separately.

Gusto alternative and managed Frappe HR FAQs

Frequently Asked Questions

What is a Gusto alternative?
Anything that holds the employee record and runs the HR processes around it. That covers the other platforms on this hub, BambooHR, Rippling and Deel included, the payroll bureaus people start with, and open source HR systems like the one we run. The useful distinction is rarely the feature list, because most of these do broadly the same things. It is where the boundary falls between payroll filing, benefits administration and the HR record itself, and how the bill is assembled across those three.
How is Cascadia different from Gusto?
They sell a payroll and benefits service priced per person. We configure and run an HR system for a business at a flat price. Gusto calculates the pay, moves the money and files the returns, none of which we do. We shape leave rules, shift patterns, approval chains and appraisal cycles around how you already work, host the result on Frappe Cloud and support it afterwards, and the number of people using it is not part of the calculation.
How does your price compare to theirs?
We are one thousand a month for Standard and two thousand for Priority, billed monthly. Gusto is forty nine dollars a month plus six per person on Simple, eighty plus twelve on Plus, and one hundred and eighty plus twenty two on Premium. At twenty five people on Plus that is three hundred and eighty dollars a month against our thousand, so they are cheaper by a wide margin and it is not close.
Is Gusto cheaper than this?
For most businesses reading this, yes, and by a lot. The arithmetic does not turn in our favour until somewhere near eighty people on the Plus plan, and even then Gusto is doing a job we are not doing. If your question is purely what payroll costs, stop reading and buy Gusto. The case for us begins where payroll stops and the rest of the employee record starts.
Does Frappe HR file our payroll taxes?
No, and this is the single most important answer on this page. Frappe HR does not calculate or file United States payroll taxes, and no amount of configuration changes that. It ships a complete India payroll module and it handles salary structures, payslips and payroll entries in general, but the US federal, state and local filings are not in it. Most of our United States clients keep Gusto or a comparable bureau for the filing and run Frappe HR for the employee record, the leave, the attendance and the appraisals. That combination costs more than Gusto by itself, and it is the honest recommendation rather than the profitable one.
Why not install Frappe HR and run it ourselves?
You can, and there is nothing to license. Frappe HR is open source and Frappe Cloud will host it for a modest monthly fee, so the software and the server were always the cheap part. What goes wrong is not the install. It is the leave accrual rules, the holiday calendar, the shift patterns, the salary structures and the approval chains, and those want somebody who has configured them before.
Should we buy this at all?
Often not, and now is a far better time to establish that than month six. If you have twenty people in one country, leave fits in a shared calendar and nobody is chasing a form around, an HR system is a solution looking for a problem and Gusto with a spreadsheet beside it is a perfectly respectable answer. The free fit review exists to reach that conclusion honestly rather than to sell past it.
Do we have to migrate everything at once?
No. Employee records and leave usually go first, because that is normally where the pain is and where the benefit shows up soonest. Attendance, shifts, recruitment or appraisals follow when they are ready. Running Frappe HR alongside your existing tooling for a period is normal rather than a compromise.
Does anything break while you take over?
Nothing on your side goes dark, and your payroll in particular is untouched. Whatever files your returns keeps filing them throughout. Your current HR tooling keeps running until the balances in Frappe HR reconcile against it, nobody is asked to switch while the two still disagree, and the migration runs on a copy first.
What if we already run Frappe HR and it was set up badly?
That is a common way people arrive here, and it is real work rather than a tidy up. We read the leave policies, the holiday lists, the shift types, the salary structures, the approval workflows and every customization, then tell you what is worth keeping and what should be rebuilt. Sometimes the answer is a fresh instance with the data migrated into it.
Do you own the system or the data?
No to both. Frappe HR is open source, so the software is nobody's property to withhold. The instance is yours, the database is yours, and every leave policy, salary structure and custom field we build is yours. Stop paying us and the system keeps running, which is not something anybody can say about a payroll bureau account.
What is included at each tier?
Two flat tiers and no meter behind either of them. Standard at one thousand covers implementation, configuration, migration, training, customization, development, Frappe Cloud hosting and ongoing support. Priority at two thousand adds two active requests at a time, faster turnaround and a quarterly review of how the configuration is holding up against the way you work. Neither tier counts employees, modules or pay runs, so nothing you do inside the system changes what either one costs.
Do you guarantee the implementation will go to plan?
No, and treat anybody who does with suspicion. A migration turns up leave balances that never reconciled, a policy nobody documented behaves differently in month two, and a genuine requirement gets discovered late. What we do guarantee is that the price does not move when any of that happens.
What does the monthly report actually contain?
What changed in the system, what we built or configured, what is still fragile and what we intend to do about it, plus anything in the Frappe HR release notes upstream that will affect you. It runs on a rolling month rather than a calendar one.
How long before we see a difference?
Four to eight weeks to a first full cycle in most cases, and longer where several years of attendance history or a complicated salary structure are in scope. The first thing people notice is usually not the software. It is that nobody is chasing a form around to find out who approved what.
What if I want to leave?
Thirty days notice ends it and nothing is stranded. The instance, the database and every configuration were always yours, so there is nothing to migrate and nothing to hand back. What stops is us. You would need somebody else to do what we were doing, and the payroll, which was never ours, carries on regardless.
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